Thoughts on the D70

[bushman]

Although I still haven't had a chance to play with one, after reading the specification I've made up my own list based on what the camera can do against what I want it to do.....

Fire remotely.. Not without an expensive system and then over short distances.

Run faster...3 FPS is about the equivalent of my FM2, but from what I've read this depends on the storage media.

Work with my existing flash set up...No, but neither do any of the other Nikon Digital cameras, which is why I went for the S2 in the first place.

On balance the D70 seems to have reasonable specifications, but still won't do what my film cameras would do, so the jury is still out. The only camera which comes close is the D2H, but this only does about 4 MP for about three times the price, so it looks like I'm back to square one, Ideally I need a sort of digital F4S with a removable pentaprism like the F3, but as Nikon seem to be moving away from anything which you might be able to modify it looks like I'm stuck.
Cheers, John

[jhawk1000]

I have had my D70 for a few months now and would offer the following:

1. Crisp focus and excellent metering---reminds me of the F5 in many ways but a tad slower focus with more hunting than the F5. Vertical compositions sometimes fool the focus.

2. Color from the camera can be customized with custom features and is nice and (here is the word Robin hates) saturated. S2 can knock your eyes out if set to saturate but overall, a little more natural if set to normal.

3. Both give great files and I really think the noise is more on the S2 but we are splitting hairs.

4. Flash is not as good as the S2 using my Nikon flashes but setting the camera to manual, setting the aperture to fit the range and firing away in Auto seems to give me pretty decent shots. TTL on the fuji works but marginally.

5. Write speed is fantastic in the Nikon and preview seems instantaneous even for NEF. Slow in the S2.

6. Body ergonomics---hands down winner is the S2. The grip has the thumb cut our which just fits my hands and the extra size of the S2 makes me feel very comfortable carrying it around by the grip. Nikon is a little smaller and the grip is not as comfortable.

7. Coming from a D1, I find that both lack the pizazz of the D1 body and lack the focus capabilities but both give SUPERIOR images to the D1 out of the camera. I never knew how much work it was to get good images from the D1 until I got the D70 and S2.

8. Even with the new Hyperutility II software, working with images straight from the camera is problematic with the S2 and a breeze with Nikon View 6.2 and the brand spanking new Capture 4.1.2 just available for download as an upgrade. Much quicker! Nikon Capture would be my editor of choice if it would resize as easily as Photoshop.

9. Quality---this one will go to the S2. It seems that the D70 gets dust quickly, including crud in the viewfinder and it appears that these are manufacturing left overs. The S2 just seems to be better built and assembled over all.

10. Battery life---D70 in a walk away. But then, the S2 is not that bad and irregardless of the stories of battery woes, I keep a bunch of cheap 123a batteries, have about 40 rechargeable AAs and it ain't that bad---unless of course, you get caught shooting a reception for new judges and the CR123a set goes south and you thought you could shoot some snaps with the built in flash.

Which do I use the most? I generally pick up which one is nearest but have been shooting mostly with the S2 because I just like it.

Mel

[bushman]

I think I've got this one sorted. I actually bought my S2 on interest free credit, which has about two months to run before I actually have to pay for it, so my cunning plan is to sell the S2 while I can still get a good price, pay off the interest free credit ahead of time, then buy a D70. If the new revamped S3 has the features I need, I'll think about selling the D70 when the S3 has been about for a while and the bugs have been ironed out.

Cheers, John

[sandman]

Think your wrong John , although i've got both i would'nt swap the S2 for the D70 for 2 months payments , which is all you would gain .
The D70's a good camera , but apart from the F.P.S. it can't touch the S2.
Unless you're really unhappy with the Fuji what i would do , is to pay off the debt , then put the same money per month aside untill the S3 comes out (1995?) by then you'll still get a goodish price for the S2 .
You might get a part exchange plus cash deal for the S3 . Either way i would rather use the S2 for the next 6-8 months than the D70 .

Brian

[bushman]

Hi Brian,
My main concern is the massive drop which is bound to happen when Fuji stop faffing around and playing silly games. When I spoke to them the other day they were offish to the point of being rude, which happened last time I rang them with a problem. It seems that Swampy has some insider knowledge, which he doesn't want to share to protect his source, which is fair enough.

The point is that until now the camera has cost me nothing, is still in guarantee and I got it at a good price to start with, but retail prices are already dropping fast, to the point where on one site(Not one of these iffy far eastern sites, but a genuine one) the S2 has already dropped new to the price they are fetching on Ebay second hand.

By selling now, I should get most of my the original purchase price back, so that I can pay off the interest free loan early, buy a D70 on interest free credit and use it until the S3 comes out. At that point I can make my decision based on the final specification, sell the D70 and buy an S3, or keep the D70 and buy an S2 when they drop to silly prices.

By doing this, although it seems complicated, I end up with one camera which I still haven't got to pay for for until next year when it's earned me some money and one which is out of guarantee so that I can adapt it to fire remotely using Jonathan's circuit.

Of course, if Fuji and Nikon want to come up with an 8 frame a second 12MP camera in the meantime I'll go for that. Now I've even confused myself!!!
Cheers, John
PS Please keep posting mud photos. Mudflats are fascinating and eerie places with an appeal of their own.

[Sleeping Bear]

Kick me if I'm wrong, but isn't the D70 a glorified point and shoot? I was excited at first when I heard about it, but the more I hear about it the more it sounds like a beefed up pointer that you can use your own lens on. Anyway, I'll stick with the S2 for now, hasn't let me down yet, and see what the S3 brings to the table. I would dare say the D70 price will drop much harder and faster than the S2. Just my $1.50.

[sandman]

Ron as i've just got up , you've beat me to the very point i was going to make to John .
The D70's a little bit more than a point and shoot , but the ways Nikons promoting and selling it , in 8 months time the price will be minimul .
I can sort of see Johns logic , But if he does'nt get a reasonable return ,it sort of makes it a waste , and he might as well keep hold of his S2 and just save up a bit .
I still think that when the S3 comes out , his S2 will be worth more than a D70.

Brian

[snaggs]

Excuse me, how is the D70 little more than a point and shoot ? Why dont you justify some of your comments that it can't touch the S2 ?

Theres been quite a few posts in the Nikon & Fuji forums on DPReview, of ex-S2 users who are finding the D70 far superior to their S2, including in terms of resolution. They're no longer having the "soft with some lenses" problem. Seems it might not have been the lens that was the problem, but the camera.

Daniel.

[sandman]

If you bothered to read my comments , i said it was ''a little bit more than a point and shoot '' meaning it is a great camera and not just for novices .
as for justifying my comments , i've both camera's used the D70 exclusively for the last month , and IN MY OPINION the S2 is the better camera , sorry if that upsets you , i've never had 'soft' issues with my S2 so i can't talk about that .
Reviews? i find a lot of people have there own agenda on these forums , try out both cameras before making up your mind , as for me , the D70 is a really good camera , just that i like the S2 better. but i bought it , so i'm not slagging it of . i put my money where my mouth is .

[jhawk1000]

Bend over Ron cause I'm in the kicking mode. No---the D70 is not a glorified point and shoot. It surely is a "bridge" camera for the point and shooters to go to digital SLR but the controls on the D70 are every bit as sophisticated and probably more so than the S2. Sure, it has the silly different program modes which I never use but it is a superior offering in many ways to the S2. I think that both are excellent offerings and I am amazed at how very capable this D70 is for the price. Nikon is selling them like hotcakes and some are being sold to newbies to the SLR market but looking at the wildlife and nature forums, many are being used now as the secondary back up and even as the first camera for nature shooters. After having both for sometime now, I like Sandman, prefer some of the qualities of the S2 but I will state without hesitation that the D70 is the camera of choice for longer lenses. The focus is superior on telephotos and generally is "spot on."
I even know that I probably do not need a back up camera but I wanted one and I even know that the photographer is responsible for the image and not the camera or box with the card in it but I would be happy with either of the cameras, the S2 or D70 if I was limited to one. The difference in capability is so very minor as to be almost non-existent and if the Nikon D70 is a glorified "point and shoot", so is the S2 and I believe that none of us think the S2 is nothing more than point and shoot. Try it, shoot it, hold it, look at the images produced, don't use the "idiot" modes and then let us know if YOU think it is just a "point and shoot". My thoughts are that after you try it, you will see how capable it is and upgrade it from point and shoot to the camera it really is.

Mel

[snaggs]

I did bother to read them, they are stupid and patronising. Every post an agenda, eventually forcing me to respond to your ignorant diatribe. You are also STILL dodging the question.....

1. please give specifics as to how "apart from the F.P.S. it can't touch the S2."
2. Please explain how the S2 trounces the D70 in flash sync
3. Please compare and contrast Nikon Capture 4.1.2 vs Fuji's Raw converter
4. Please explain the advantage of Nikons old metering vs the F5 metering scheme the D70 uses
5. Please provide your opinion of the D70's battery life vs the S2
6.

Hugs,

Daniel.

If you bothered to read my comments , i said it was ''a little bit more than a point and shoot '' meaning it is a great camera and not just for novices .
as for justifying my comments , i've both camera's used the D70 exclusively for the last month , and IN MY OPINION the S2 is the better camera , sorry if that upsets you , i've never had 'soft' issues with my S2 so i can't talk about that .
Reviews? i find a lot of people have there own agenda on these forums , try out both cameras before making up your mind , as for me , the D70 is a really good camera , just that i like the S2 better. but i bought it , so i'm not slagging it of . i put my money where my mouth is .

[Tom Nolle]

I'm sorry to see this forum starting to sound like the others, with increasingly sharp and personal rather than helpful and thoughtful dialog. Let's try to get back on track here.

Tom

[sandman]

Tom your dead right .
Snaggs
I am stupid , ignorant and patronising .

And your right the D70 is a far superior camera to the S2.

[jhawk1000]

Tom

I am also very sorry that this forum seems to becoming "brand" intensive. Surprisingly, those of us who have both like both. I made a decision and I will not let anyone else tell me if I am right or wrong.

Mel

[Swampy]

Yeah, Come on guys. These are all personal experiences with the camera here. No one is slamming either camera here and please don't take it that way. Sure Brian can be stupid sometimes. Ask his wife. She'll tell ya the truth. Brian is just telling us how he feels the D70 serves HIM. Sure the D70 has some much better qualities than the S2. The S2, well, what can I say. It has it's problems, but in the end, because of this place and the people here on it, we've figured out the issues and workarounds for those issues. Now that we've had it for so long, they're no longer issues but processes that we naturally follow. It's second nature now and the camera works fine for us.

Comparing specs between the cameras, you're going to find that the D70 beats the S2 on a bunch of things. Now, don't take me as trying to beat up either camera. I really like BOTH of them and use both of them extensively.

What will you gain from going to the D70?

Faster Sync Speed.
Longer battery life.
Easier RAW workflows.
1/2 a frame per second faster (in my tests anyway).
Slightly more accurate focusing.
Lighter body.
And a some other goodies that are really marginal (like 1/3 EV steps over 1/2 EV).

Now I'm saying this after shooting 18,000 or so frames with the S2 and only 2100 with the D70 and with the settings I personally have set. I'm really used to the focusing on the S2, so I'm fast with it. In my tests, as I posted, the two focus about the same speed, however, the D70 could aquire slightly faster occasionally. Maybe it's the settings I'm using? Probably.

When it comes down to it, it's your own justifications which will make your own decision on what to buy and use. We're all just here to let you know what our experiences have been with these cameras to help you form those justifications.

We're photographers. The Camera shouldn't matter, but the quality of the image should and in my experience (again, not to sound like I'm slamming either camera), the S2 is producing a better image for me than the D70. But the D70 image is good and can be tweaked if necessary. They're both great cameras and Brian was right, it's on the market as just slightly more than a point and shoot, unfortunately, Nikon added a lot of features to this camera that made it even more than that.

Daniel - Brian wasn't slamming the D70. Both of you need to relax. We're just spitting information out to help everyone. Take it all with a grain of salt as they are opinions. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing an Aussie and an Brit get into it, it just doesn't work for me in text. :)

[Sleeping Bear]

I did bother to read them, they are stupid and patronising. Every post an agenda, eventually forcing me to respond to your ignorant diatribe. You are also STILL dodging the question.....

1. please give specifics as to how "apart from the F.P.S. it can't touch the S2."
2. Please explain how the S2 trounces the D70 in flash sync
3. Please compare and contrast Nikon Capture 4.1.2 vs Fuji's Raw converter
4. Please explain the advantage of Nikons old metering vs the F5 metering scheme the D70 uses
5. Please provide your opinion of the D70's battery life vs the S2
6.

Hugs,

Daniel.

I guess I'm just a horse's ass for having an opinion, eh? I suggest an apology is in order for Sandman. It pains me to see this type of talk on the forum and I suggest if some cannot be civil, get them the hell off the forum. I, for one, will not hang around if it continues.

[Sleeping Bear]

You are probably right, Mel. I would like to shoot the D70 for a couple of weeks and see what I get. Might change my mind.

I just equate a major advertising campaign with 'consumer' level equipment. Hell, it won't be the first or last time I've been wrong. I sure have a lot of boot prints on my hind end today. :)

[jhawk1000]

As a moderator on the Nikon Mailing List, I see "brand" wars all the time. Often it is someone who has changed to another system who will get on the list and tell everyone how great the new system is and how bad the old one was. This always leads to a need to step in and calm it down. Over the years I have wondered why the Nikon-Canon-Fuji wars erupt and the only reason I can see is that a perceived attack on one's camera and system is often perceived as a "gloat", a need to justify one's purchase or inability to purchase, and as an attack upon the reader's judgment for having what he/she has paid out cold hard cash for. It almost becomes "I don't like your camera because a. I don't have one, b. You have one, c. I can't buy one now, d. I have to live with what I bought and e. "Hey someone just insinuated I am stupid or not a good photographer because I bought something." None of these might actually apply but the reader feels that at least one applies and responds in kind and soon you have a real pissing match with everyone aiming at the wrong target.
From my formative years in photography, mainly as a techno-geek, to now as a person who wants to learn the art, I have owned Nikon. Fuji was a leap for me in the 35mm/digital area from my days with Nikon when it was Ehrenreich Photo Products or EPOI (which by the way helped pay my way through law school) and it was my first camera outside Nikon disregarding the Medium Format that I owned. I must admit that I was biased and really wanted the D100 to go with my D1 but Fuji won me over. It still is a marvelous camera and I seem to choose it more often but as I told Linda when she asked me which I liked best, I always seem to have a longer lens on the D70 since it shines for me with the longer lenses. I have learned that cameras are like cars, everyone has a favorite and often it is not based upon performance but is more on image. My D70 does not project the "image" of the D1 when it was new but I find it works better and that is enough.
I laugh sometimes at the posts on the Nikon list justifying the purchases. My favorites are those who used to buy a Nikon F5 without knowing anything at all about what it was capable of doing. I find that still with digital but with the costs, not as often. We have two amateur photographer friends who just bought the Canon Mark II Ds and while their pictures are good, they were good when they shot the D60 and the 10D. Are they better now? I don't think so but they must feel better carrying that tank around. Mind you, I doubt if they will ever shoot 8.5 frames per second just as I never shot my maximum frames on the F5. It sometimes just feels good to own what we perceive to be the best, even if it isn't. Hell, I own a Porsche and that is a car that needs lots of love, attention and dollars and is not at all practical. I do love it and that is what counts. And---I might add, when it runs, I drive the bejesus out of it.

Mel

[Sleeping Bear]

I agree with the points you made, Mel. I don't mind at all if someone thinks brand A is better than brand B, hell I might even learn something. I am in no way knocking the D70, how could I? I have not shot with it yet. Again, the advertising campaign tended to swing me to 'consumer' rather than enthusiast or 'pro', whatever that means. I will be happy as a clam if the D70 gives the same/better images as the S2. I'd be happy as clam if eeny meeny miney mo came out with a digital that was as good/better than the S2. I am not a brand loyal person when it comes to my camera. I chose the S2 because I felt it was the only digital on the market that met all my needs at the time. If I could have afforded the cannon full frame I would have gone that route. The cannon would not have made be a better photographer, just a fuller framed kind of guy. :)

All that said, I would hope that the forum stays friendly and those that are new to our 'home' are welcome to make it theirs as well. Just remember your manners, everyone. Myself included. You might be used to other sites flaming away, but not here. That's enough growling from me. Time to go back to my cave. :cheers:

[bushman]

Hi Guys,
From the feedback it would seem that this is a contentious subject. My feelings are the I should get my hands on a D70 and have a play with it before I make up my mind, as it sounds as though the Fuji still has the edge on quality. Hopefully I should be able to try one at a local store tomorrow.

Some of you are probably wondering why I don't run both alongside each other, but the answer to that one is weight. since I started back into photography I'm getting problems with my neck and shoulders like I used to when I was doing a lot before. My reason for going digital was partly to avoid the need to carry different bodies for different ISO ratings, so I don't really want to carry two bodies again.

Anyway, thanks for the opinions and advice, I'll let you know what happens and hopefully I might actually get some time to take pictures tomorrow and for most of July, as I'm away in Ireland and then on holiday here.
Cheers, John

[AzRich]

I've got a D70 coming (that will show the S2 for going soft focus on me!) and I want to try a test with the expo disc. That is, set a custom WB with the ED on each, and shoot similar pix with both cameras, same lens on each.

If there's something specific I can test, I'd be happy to give it a shot. The D70 will be here on Tuesday if UPS is to be believed.

[Wichita Wayne]

It has much greater range then the S2 or the D70 and you can get a used one for just a little more than the D70. For lenses I would recommend the 50mm, 80mm, 150mm, and 250mm prime lenses. Here is a link to a shot using the 50mm lens (the one they took to the moon) that demonstrates the dynamic range of the 501 C/M using Fuji NPH 400 film.

http://www.theswampbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2650&page=2&pp=15

For digital I have never used anything but Fuji. I simply like the pictures Fuji cameras take and I like the digital process. I also like the buttons on the back of the S2. Easy to use. The S2 satisfies me just fine. I have never been motivated to use any other digital SLR to the extent that I could compare it to the S2. Never had a focus problem with any lens that was not my own fault. I use the "focus and recompose" method and it tends to always work great.

Bushman, be sure that you are not searching for the Holy Grail?

[jhawk1000]

No question that a Hasselblad will give great pictures with great enlargeability. I owned a Mamiya that would do the same but-----after dragging that body, a couple of lenses, a prism or two, a couple of backs, a potato masher flash and a brick of film, an aluminum case, I found my love of photography was waning. I sold the Mamiya and have not missed it.
Since going digital with the D1, then the S2 and now also with the D70, I have not looked backwards. I will sacrifice a little of the Medium Format look for the ability to carry what I need without causing my back and neck some severe distress. I have arthritic changes in my neck which can cause some brutal aches that will not allow me to even look around so MF is not an option for me nor would I use one if I had it. My Mamiya basically sat in a case for over 6 years and would be used maybe once a year.

Mel

[photoworks]

Just my opinion to this brand war.
First, all these Canon-Nikon-Fuji dSLRs are top cameras.
Second, the man-woman behind the camera counts.

_______
Vasilis

[snaggs]

I apologise for getting angry and referring to another post as stupid (I never said sandman was stupid). However I would suggest that post after post bellitling the D70, in the new Nikon forum, is pretty also poor form and likely to incite a reaction. I think any camera with a F-mount should be considered "in the fold" and their owners excluded from derision.

I think the S2 is great. We all know it has the best resolution. It doesn't mean that its impossible for another camera to have some aspects which are better.

Peace,

Daniel.

[sandman]

O.K. I'm as much to blame here , i reponded to a reply from Daniel pretty sharply because i thought his original questionwas curt and provocative.
But in hindsight i could have put my original remark better.
1.. what i meant when i said ''it was a little more than a point and shoot'' depends on how you say it. what i should have said is that is was ''a lot more''. Daniel took it wrong ......my fault.
2..i should have added IMHO to my original remark that the s2 is a better camera than the D70...again my fault.
All my life i've been a competative animal, and when attacked my natural reaction is to attack back. For that i apologise.

Now for snaggs 4 points
1
i agree the flash sync is better on the D70 , but as i don't use flash much it's not something that bothers me too much .
2
The RAW convertors are software and don't apply to the merits of the camera's .
3
The metering , well i've got a 10 year old F5 , and while i agree it's better than the N/F 80's. The S2's is pretty much spot on , just underexposes a touch , but so does the D70 but not as much, i did'nt know the meter was from the F5 .
4
The battery life is subjective , i agree the Nikons is awesome , i've only just charged mine for the first time after 1200 shots . but it's expensive £50 over here . i could buy 4 rechargable AA's and 2 chargers , 1 for home ,1 for the car , for that money . and i can get over 250 fine jpegs out , more than enough for a days shoot for me
Now i've a couple of points
1
the lack of cable release , as a landscape photographer i miss that .
also i can't just use the self timer instead because it's menu driven and re-sets after each shot , unlike the easy thumbwheel the S2 has..
Saying all this i will use D70 as much as the S2 , i like both camera's but for different reasons .
And i will defend them both equally , if needed .

So Daniel lets agree to agree on the D70 and get on with the main reason both of us are here .
To help each other out ,and enjoy each's images .

Brian

[Tom Nolle]

I'm looking seriously at the D70 as a second back, as I said in another post. There's a lot about the camera I like, but for me the lack of the cable release means that I can't use it as my primary wildlife camera (I need cable when I've got the 500mm with 1.4x TC on). My preference would be to get either an S3 or a D2X as a primary and move my S2 to the second-back status. I love my voice memo feature, so if the S3 had that and also measured up in resolution, focus, and other aspects I'd get it in a minute (Swampy says it's being redesigned).

I've looked at the images that Swampy and others have posted with the D70, and they're great images, which is after all what you get a camera to produce. If the S3 and the D2x don't measure up (or if I can't afford them!) I'm on that D70 in a minute!

Tom

[snaggs]

Sorry for getting cross a bit easily, tough week at work. By the way, as for cable release, have you tried the wireless infared cable release ? Supposed to be even better than the old wire ones. Good for bulb mode too, one press for shutter up, go inside have a coffee, come back and one press for shutter down.

PS. Do you know what a Sandman is in Australia ? It is the location of conception for an entire generation..... Here are some old magazine adverts of your namesake ;)

http://www.holdensandman.com/Birds_Eye.jpg

http://www.holdensandman.com/sandmanad.jpg

got these from http://www.holdensandman.com, Holden being Australian GM.

[Swampy]

I would try the remote control release, if I could find someone who had it in stock. Been looking for a while and always come up empty. The thing is, does the setting to shoot via the remote reset itself like the selftimer setting does too? If it does, that will also suck. I hate that the selftimer setting resets after each shot.

[Sleeping Bear]

Sorry for getting cross a bit easily, tough week at work. By the way, as for cable release, have you tried the wireless infared cable release ? Supposed to be even better than the old wire ones. Good for bulb mode too, one press for shutter up, go inside have a coffee, come back and one press for shutter down.

PS. Do you know what a Sandman is in Australia ? It is the location of conception for an entire generation..... Here are some old magazine adverts of your namesake ;)

http://www.holdensandman.com/Birds_Eye.jpg

http://www.holdensandman.com/sandmanad.jpg

got these from http://www.holdensandman.com, Holden being Australian GM.

Brian, the father of a generation. :lol: Good to see things back to normal guys. :cheers:

[snaggs]

I would try the remote control release, if I could find someone who had it in stock. Been looking for a while and always come up empty. The thing is, does the setting to shoot via the remote reset itself like the selftimer setting does too? If it does, that will also suck. I hate that the selftimer setting resets after each shot.

Oh yeh, that drives me nuts! Lets get an answer on that question.

Daniel.

[Bruce]

Wow, it's nice to see things smoothing down a bit. It was starting to sound like a Kodak board there for a bit. :righton:
Bruce

[arista]

Guys,

Good to see this is getting constructive. Here are a few ideas for you, IMHO only.

I have an S2, D-70 and a D1H (The last is a work camera). I love both the D-70 and the S2. The D-70 battery is amazing in the time it lasts, but, if you wanted, you can get a second battery on E Bay for AUS $20, seems a good buy to me. The D70 does not have a cable release, very annoying, but I can live with it. (Usually I'll just pick up the S2).

The S2 is a little slower, cannot take as fast, lots of shots, but then again, i think the D-70 is made for the fast market, hence, no cable release (But still very annoying). The D-70 image quality is very good, the S2 is also good.

I picked up a guy at works Fuji s-3000. Now it is aimed at the basic consumer market, but it is woeful for someone like me. I just keep appreciating what I can do with all the cameras I have, leave what I cannot do to the designers and makers (Hopefully we will all get better products).

One thing I reallt like about the D-70, my wife and family can pick it up and annoy the crap out of me when they take decent photos, it is just that sort of camera, a pick up, select and away you go, but it is also, a very decent piece of fine digital equipement.

My S2 will will have a long life, even if a S3 / S4 / S556 arrives, I already have a camera that exceeeds my expectations for digital photography, as does the D-70.

Enjoy taking pics, ultimately it is not a competition, it is a fine balance between art, design, technology, skill and sometimes, only somtimes, being in the right place at the right time, with the right lens, an empty memory card, a cable release and or flash if needed, etc etc etc.

"Shoot the joy, not the toy"

Cheers guys and gals

Arista (Tony)

[dartz]

its just like a brother and sister fought here, in this topic..
but im so GLAD of you gank, things became smoother again!
just like one happy family.. :D :D :D

arista : AMEEENN BRODAAHH!!!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: