View Full Version : Beer, beer and more beer
Don65Stang
October 13th, 2003, 07:20 PM
This thread is inspired by Tom...
Originally posted by Tom Nolle
Andre, I think you've uncovered the rating system, the transition between junior, member, and senior. It's beer. If you post a lot of beer messages, you're promoted!
You're on, of course.
Tom
Since this forum reaches into all corners of the world (a little Columbus Day humor there), what is everone's favorite brew?
Similarly, got any drinking songs to go along?
My usual everyday beer is (ho hum) Miller Lite, however I enjoy Heineken Dark on special occasion.
We used to sing a pub song when I was in the Army, but I cannot remember just now. Perhaps I need to drink a few to jog the memory... :D
Don
Andre
October 13th, 2003, 07:50 PM
My favorite is Bud, but the one made in Canada. My next favorite is Alexander Keith's from Nova Scotia - especially when it comes to draft beer.
This is good - two of my favorite things in one forum: photography and beer :)
Swampy
October 13th, 2003, 08:04 PM
Mine off the top for an every day beer is Newcastle. On the lighter side, Oregon Honey, and when I'm hungry, I'll chew on some Guiness.
okidoki
October 13th, 2003, 08:29 PM
aaaah....
Sorry to "diss" the american brews but they are just too like canoing, too da** close to water...
:)
I prefer the Danish Brews and if possible a Carlsberg HOF... my goodness it's been years... below I hold a sixpack of my "special import" of Carlsberg Export. "Bear Beer" direct, door to door from good old Sweden...
Timo
http://24.130.254.148/julku/assets/images/beer.jpg
Don65Stang
October 13th, 2003, 08:32 PM
I'll pull a Fosters down every now and then.
Tom Nolle
October 14th, 2003, 06:00 AM
My vote is Guiness, Killian's Red, Dos Eqiis, and Kirin Ichiban draft in that order.
Tom
sandman
October 14th, 2003, 06:37 AM
Yep Guinness, trouble is i'm spoilt , after tasteing the real stuff made from liffey water, while in Dublin , the guinness brewed in Park Royal, London , does'nt taste the same.
My local brewery is Shepard Neame , so it's Spitfire or Bishops Finger, don't touch spirits (makes me sleepy) but enjoy the glass or two of Baileys Irish Cream.
Brian
Tom Nolle
October 14th, 2003, 06:52 AM
"Shepards Neame"; now that has a nice ring. Here in the states, all our pubs seem to be named after undesirable reptiles.
Tom
sandman
October 14th, 2003, 06:59 AM
Tom
Shepards neame is a large independant brewery, about 14 mls from here ,they make ''real'' ale , drawn from a hand pump. proberbly the largest independant left in the U.K. They used to own about a quarter of the pubs here in Kent , but have sold half.
Still after a few pints of Bishops Finger you tend to forget all about that.
Brian
coughlin47
October 14th, 2003, 07:31 AM
Beer?! Brought back memories. I grew up in Southern Wisconsin, and in the summertime, there was nothing like a cold beer, a bratwurst, an ear of corn, and an onion! (My dad would give me one of his 'Pabst Blue Ribbon' beers)...then, my first year at the University of Wisconsin, I learned to love the foreign beers. Now I live in Eastern PA, the home of the oldest brewery in the United States - Yuengling....I like their lager. The worst beer for me was BlackBastard Ale - strong, and bitter, but it gets good reviews....I also like Sam Adams Boston Ale (can't find it around here) now a confession - on a hot summer day, after mowing the yard (2 acres), I like having either a Coors Light, or Miller Light ...(public confessions are difficult!)
Bill
by the way - there is a beer called 'Ansel Adams Amber Ale' - probably have to prove your a photographer in order to buy it.
smunky
October 14th, 2003, 08:03 AM
I like newcastle, guinness and other locally brewed oatmeal stouts and bourboun stouts. I am known in the summer to drink a good german heifeweizen with a lemon slice.
I used to have this tshirt im desperately trying to find a new copy of that said GRAB A HEINEY, haha.
SSonnentag
October 14th, 2003, 08:18 AM
Well, since I don't use alcohol, my favorite beer is A&W ROOT BEER! :D
Shawn
StormChaser
October 14th, 2003, 02:56 PM
Not that I'm Dutch or anything, but I like a Heineken probably best of all.
More a wine drinker anyway.
Andre
October 14th, 2003, 03:31 PM
Gee, what a popular thread :)
raidertek
October 14th, 2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by coughlin47
Now I live in Eastern PA, the home of the oldest brewery in the United States - Yuengling....I like their lager. by the way - there is a beer called 'Ansel Adams Amber Ale' - probably have to prove your a photographer in order to buy it.
Ah yes the PA's best!
justinb
October 14th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Well, I guess I will throw in my votes as (in no particular order), Harp Lager, Pilsner Urquell, and Negro Modelo. That should round out my top three.
Justin
jhawk1000
October 15th, 2003, 05:21 AM
Pilsner Urquell, Kulmbach Moenchshof Export, Andechs on Tap from the Andechs Monastery in Andechs Germany.
Mel
Ron Green
October 15th, 2003, 08:13 AM
Here in Oregon we have over 50 breweries. My current favorites are "Black Lab Stout" from Lucky Lab Brewing and Blue Heron Pale Ale from BridgePort.
pauly99
October 15th, 2003, 08:14 AM
I'm with Smunky.... that is most of the time. Give me a good dark stout. Having said that, last night I enjoyed a Labatts Blue. Any beer but American. Tonight will be a Guinness night as I watch the Cubs demolish the Marlins.
coughlin47
October 15th, 2003, 08:25 AM
Pauly - I'll bet you had a few beers after last nights game!! I'm originally from Southern WIsconsin, and for years I always heard from the Cub fans 'Wait Until Next Year' ... I'm hoping this is their year....
I guess you'll have a beer or two either way!
Bill
pauly99
October 15th, 2003, 08:29 AM
Bill, yes.. either way I'll be a drinking man tonight. Last night was very very painful.
CaptJR
October 15th, 2003, 08:31 AM
Well, :D :D :D :D
I imagine there are a few others as well as me that have been wondering just how far we can push the "Almost" in [Almost] Anything Goes.
My favorite beer just happens to rhyme with my favorite part of the female anatomy. Any guesses?
Now don't go to crazy here. If I was for sure past the 'Almost', I wouldn't have put this up.
JR
PS Shawn, I don't think you need to get concerned. Just thought I'd say it that way for fun.
Swampy
October 15th, 2003, 08:42 AM
Well, I'm wondering, it could be a unisex.... Bass Ale...
What did that hat say exactly Smunky? Everyone needs a little Bass on the side? Heheh
CaptJR
October 15th, 2003, 09:51 AM
Actually I like any bottle with the four letter B-E-E-R on it. Of course my favorite is the one with two 4 letter words that both contain double EEs.
F-R-E-E B-E-E-R
But the picture below answers the riddle above and is what I drink at home. LOL
JR
smunky
October 15th, 2003, 11:55 AM
HAHAHAHA
I was going to guess Heiny
Don65Stang
October 15th, 2003, 07:45 PM
Smunky and I were headed down the same path.
proberts
October 16th, 2003, 05:10 AM
Stouts and Porters, most often Guinness, which is- of course- the nectar of the Gods.
Paul
crabby
October 22nd, 2003, 02:04 PM
Wow, this is a hard one to answer at the end of a long day. It's like going grocery shopping when your starving.
I love Newcastle on draft but it doesn't seem quite as creamy as it used to. Love Anchor Steam but haven't had that one in quite a while. Lately my everyday beer is Stout's Scarlet Lady ESB. As it gets colder out I'll go darker and heavier. Next case will probably be Brooklyn Brown or maybe my local Troegs Nut Brown (they sponsor my bike team, meetings are a blast). Then on to milk stout or oatmeal stout. I can always drink Guiness!
Tom Nolle
October 22nd, 2003, 02:41 PM
When I was working at my first job out of the Navy, I had dinner with my boss at a Philadelphia pub called "Pop Edwards" which was just west of City Hall on Market Street as I recall.
They had Lowenbrau dark on draft, and I remember having my first draft dark beer there. This was the old days before the brewery got commercialized. It had an almost raisin-like taste to it, and I've never had anything like it.
Tom
smunky
October 22nd, 2003, 07:34 PM
Try a draft oatmeal or bourbon stout for that taste Tom.
pappapratt
October 22nd, 2003, 10:36 PM
For those of you who like the dark beers, you need to try Bischoff's Kellerbier if you are ever in my neck of the woods.
sandman
October 22nd, 2003, 11:55 PM
I've been to the Munich beer fest. at least 15-20 times, every time i swear i won't go through it again (i lose 2 weeks of my life afterwards). but i always go back with friends , great beer ,great frauliens(spelling).never take the wife.:) .have'nt been for a couple of years , next year i might come over and get totaly bladdered for a week , it's the only time my pics look in focus.:D .
Brian
Tom Nolle
October 23rd, 2003, 06:52 AM
Thanks for the tip, Kim. It may take some doing here in South Jersey, though. This is a sort of Bud-and-beer-nuts neighborhood.
Tom
crabby
October 23rd, 2003, 08:42 AM
Ron Greene-I forgot to mention that is a great shot.
Timo-I really like your shot as well. was it done with the S2. It should be your new avitar
CaptJR
October 23rd, 2003, 09:52 AM
SHOTS! :) I thought we were talking about beer. Now when I do a shot its always Old Grandad. Now there is some booze that will kick you in the butt when your looking the other way. Reminds me of the time my dad had to grab me by the ear and said "Time to go home boy"!:D
smunky
October 23rd, 2003, 10:33 AM
I prefer to do shots with my friend Jack Daniels.
Tom:'
I dont know waht the liquor shipping laws are, but Id ship you some stouts if you want.
Or you could pick them up from me in Atlantic City :)
Tom Nolle
October 23rd, 2003, 11:13 AM
I'm going to Winnipeg and Churchill shortly, Kim, and I think Ian in Winnipeg probably has some good options for me! Actually I think my wife and I are scheduled for a dinner in one of those brewery/restaurants there.
I don't think you can ship anything alcoholic here; I can't buy wine or spirits online, I know. Thanks for the offer, though. I won't encourage the AC handoff for fear of dragging you into moral decay.
Tom
smunky
October 23rd, 2003, 01:58 PM
Ok Tom, offer stands tho.
Ill be there in November.
Tom Nolle
October 23rd, 2003, 04:31 PM
I'm back on the 10th; maybe I can talk my wife into going to AC for a dinner or something and we can compare JR stories!
Tom
bchan3rdi
October 23rd, 2003, 06:43 PM
Tetleys English Ale Mmmmmmmmm
Wichita Wayne
October 23rd, 2003, 09:04 PM
It is a resturant and brewery in Munich that is great. Best Cordon Bleu and Wheat beer in the world. In Germany I was like a kid in a candy store with all the small breweries. And you are right the Guinness is best in Dublin. If I wasn't so old I would immigrate.
And by the way, do you ever drink Strongbow. Not beer but it is mighty good apple juice.
sandman
October 23rd, 2003, 10:45 PM
Wayne i have tried ??? whatever it's called along with just about every german and austrian beer you can name, think i came round under a table in that brewery.
Kent is named the ''garden of england '' because of it's apple orchards and hop fields , so i was brought up on cider. ''apple juice'' might be what it is , but after it's fermented it's as strong as any beer out there. there is a really funny advert on british tv for strongbow . i like a glass or ten in the summer months.
You've been over here, so did you try the scrumpy cider sold in the west country , the real stuff , not the supermarket sold stuff.
you've got ''moonshine'' we've got scrumpy, when i was a teenager i biked to devon/cornwall , got in the pub and they would'nt serve us with more than half a pint , well we insisted.......woke up days later in a field ,lost 2 days of my life , only had 2 pints :D . i really learned to respect that cider.
Brian
JPS
October 24th, 2003, 12:55 AM
..though not shot with an S2 -but with a Coolpix 5000-, here's my best friend ! It's Swiss beer, but still very "drinkable"...
sandman
October 24th, 2003, 10:41 AM
A swiss beer that's drinkable, now thats a novelty, you'll be telling me next that french beer is drinkable as well. i might just believe you about the swiss , but not the french stuff , aaagh!.
Wichita Wayne
October 24th, 2003, 06:40 PM
And what is more amazing is that there are enough people to keep the French Breweries in business. I guess it is an acquired taste or something. The Alsatian beers are not too bad but not as good, to me, as most German brews. I also do not like American Beer very much. There is not that much difference between the different brands. One might be a little lighter or bitterer but they are all kind of a mediocre cross between Lager and Pilsner. America is truly the land of the free and the home of the homogenous. It is like they have been trained to only like things that are similar. Or should I say there is too much risk in making anything too different from the top selling product. When I tell most Americans that I like Guinness they give me a strange look and scrunch up their nose. "You like that bitter stuff." Then when they hear that I also like wheat beer they say "That's strange because it doesn't taste at all like Guinness". Only in the last 10 to 15 years have American Breweries been brewing for a distinctive taste. Things are getting better over here but the process has been slow and a lot of brewer’s knowledge has been lost.
Can anybody believe that I could get so literary about a Brewski.
frankgh
November 19th, 2003, 04:30 PM
Crusty Ol' Tech Sergeants in the Air Force drink Miller Lite!
Crusty Ol' Tech Sergeants in the Air Force stationed in the Pacific drink San Miguel or if you're in a hurry, Red Horse!
If you’ve never had the pleasure, head to the Philippines and try it. I believe Spain has their own version on San Miguel but trust me it is not the same.
A couple tips for drinking San Magoos; never ever pour it in a glass, drink only from the bottle (you really don’t want to see what’s floating in the beer), check the mouth of the bottle for chips and wipe clean with your hand then stick your finger in the mouth of the bottle, twist and pop out to get rid of any rust stains. If you think you’ve had a Magoo in the states, it ain’t the real thing, you have to get it from the motherland. They use new bottles for export and you really lose a lot of flavor and never get any “Green Floaties”.
frankgh
November 23rd, 2003, 06:51 AM
I couldn't let the coolest thread drop so low!
Anyone else ever have a Magoo from the PI?
Tom Nolle
November 23rd, 2003, 08:47 AM
How about an ice-cold Red Stripe on a really hot and humid day!
Tom
frankgh
November 23rd, 2003, 08:49 AM
Oh Yes, the Caribbean is a great place and Red Stripe comes close but talk to someone who has been to the PI. There is no substitute!!
Don65Stang
November 23rd, 2003, 03:44 PM
I picked up a case (ahem, 10 cans that are 10 oz each) to try this new beer. All in all, not too bad. I suppose this is a healthy beer. 79 calories. 2.2 grams of carbs, of fat.
Since I just finished off one of those 10 oz can, I guess I'll pop open another to get the regular 12 oz that I'm used to. Now, what to do with those extra 8 oz...
Maybe this is a marketing strategy to get us to always drink 2 at a time and sell us twice as much. Hmmm, something to think about.
Tom Nolle
November 24th, 2003, 08:26 AM
Sad to say, Don, the 10oz can is probably a way to get the calories down. If 10oz is roughly 80 calories, then 12 would be roughly 96, which is only nine shy of the normal for light beers. Marketing these days is creative manipulation bordering on misrepresentation!
Tom
smunky
November 24th, 2003, 09:03 AM
Just got back from Atlantic city all weekend.
I was excited to find Magic Hat beer at a liquor store in delaware.
My friends were excited to find cubes of PBR for 3.99 or some cheap price.
PBR is not for me, but whatever floats thier boat.
They got in trouble at our fancy hotel for carrrying around canned beer because "we dont carry canned beer at this establishment"
snobs!
frankgh
November 25th, 2003, 06:15 AM
I remember my dad drinking PBR, I never could. I used to but Carltin Black Lable from a gas station when I was 14. Got it warm then took it down to the creek to cool it of before drinking.
Sleeping Bear
November 27th, 2003, 04:22 PM
Pilsner Urquel. It's brewed in Pilsn (spelling) Czechoslovakia where the pilsner process originated. This is a GREAT beer and not for the timid. I was introduced to it during the beginning of my 'radio days' in 1980. One of the owners of the radio station I worked at was also the voice of the Michigan Panthers (I think that was the name of the football team from the now defunct alternative football league) and after every broadcast from Detroit he would hit the liquor store and bring back dozens of different brands of beer for a beer tasting at the radio station in Battle Creek, Michigan. (This is the same guy who would fix bloody mary's at 4:30 in the morning before we signed on the air. The best bloody mary's I have ever had.) Anyway, Bob, Brian and myself would set up the cooler in the meeting room upstairs and begin the weekly beer tasting. Those were my wild (and I mean wild) drinking days and I don't remember too much about the tastings except the Pilsner Urquel. Nowadays if I have a glass of wine I'm ready for bed or a nap.:) I was just at a liquor store in Western Colorado yesterday to pickup some wine and saw a bottle of Pilsner Urquel in the cooler so I know it's still out there.
Sleeping Bear
Ron
ianmcc
November 30th, 2003, 11:22 AM
In up here in Canada, eh? I drink Mooshead for a lite beer and Guiness for more substance.
We seem to drink more per captia than most countries,.. too damn cold to do anything else!
jhawk1000
November 30th, 2003, 11:47 AM
For too many years I was the attorney for a beer distributor for our region. It was my DUTY to travel at least once a year and sometimes twice a year to Germany, Norway and the old Czechoslovakia to taste, negotiate and sign contracts for the importation of brews into our area. Believe me, I learned a lot about containers and how refrigerated was best, about the proper glue on the labels to stay on while refrigerated, about the timeliness of delivery for unpasteurized beers. For awhile, I thought I was the luckiest cuss in the world but it does get old. Our swing woud start in Frankfurt mainly, then east to Kulmbach, Bamberg, then south to Munchen, Andechs, Traunstein, Tegernsee, then over to Pilsen and Budweis with a stop in Prague. Saw lots of country, tasted lots of beer and now I am just as content with Bud Lite as I am with Urquell. I often drink Corona but I believe that there are only so many tastes a palate can have before it starts to all taste the same.
I loved the Bavarian beers for full body with some sweetness but also loved the Pils from Pilsen and also the great Kolsch Pils from Cologne. I now would rather drink coffee or tea. Hard liquor is not even on my radar now but I did drink some plum brandy in Romania which could be sold at Home Depot as paint remover!
For all the beers I have tasted and consumed over the years, one fact remained constant------Guiness is not for me--never was---never will be. I recall gagging through some in pubs in England and Ireland and also recall making a vow never to let it touch my lips again.
Mel
Wichita Wayne
November 30th, 2003, 07:51 PM
That plum brandy goes by many names depending on the region where it is distilled, and I love them all. A friend even brought me some home brewed Palinka from Hungry and it was great. Where I was raised the high class moonshine was fruit brandy that had the same flavor and was usually made with peaches, plums, pears, or apples. This stuff is real brandy, not that sweet peach flavored stuff from Hennessey. Right now I tend to drink Tequila, another fruit brandy. I love whisky but it gives me pretty bad heartburn. The fruit brandy does not cause any heartburn.
That being said, I must also say that a bottle of Tequila will last me over a year. One shot every two weeks is a gift from God, but if I drank a whole bottle in one night that would be a betrayal.
With stout like Guinness it is either love or hate. If you love it then drink it, but if you hate it then leave it for me.
Linda G
February 12th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Resurecting 'deadthreads!'
I've been going through my cd's for a project and am finding all those images I wanted to tack on to some almost forgotten threads.
Mel and I stopped, very thirsty, in this bar/pub/brewery in downtown Berlin and were treated to a long wait while the golden brew was nursed out of the keg, getting the head just right. I set my camera on the table and hit the shutter, all taken on auto by setting it for time release.
sandman
February 12th, 2004, 09:53 PM
Reminds me off another long dead thread ......now is that glass half empty ..................or half full..??
the answer tells what sort of person you are
Brian
Linda G
February 13th, 2004, 04:43 AM
I'm not familiar with the thread, Brian, but I've always assumed to answer that question in the positive response, it's got to be under the tap, being completely filled up or the keg is empty and that's all you get! In this case, it started out full, so now it's half empty, didn't take too long to get there, either!
LightWriter6208
February 13th, 2004, 05:31 AM
wow...never saw a topic fill 4 pages so fast. Great topic though.
I like Guinness when I can find it. Some of the oddball stuff I've tried were, Goats Breath, Chili Beer(with a hot chili pepper in it) and my favorite, but I can't find any more was Sam Adams Cherry Wheat...
Anyone going to try the Chocolate Beer that is only available this weekend for Valentines Day? It's only supposed to be $15.00 a bottle. It would be worth the $$$$ just to try one.
jhawk1000
February 13th, 2004, 05:45 AM
I can't even imagine, nor do I think I want to, a chocolate beer. My beer days are pretty much over. In the past, beer was part of my professional life working for importers and trust me, we had to sample the beers we were buying for import. Sometimes, we sampled too aggressively. I recall a "sampling" session at a small brewery in Bavaria run by the Catholic sisters. We left their offices without agreeing to import but mainly because we forgot to even talk about the details after sampling vigorously the full line of brew.
My sampling in the US seems to center around St. Patrick's day. A few of us lawyer types. an accountant or two and a few doctors converge on a cigar bar named Morts in Wichita and pour down the beer until we either are asked to leave or our wives find us. I recall being on TV a few years ago taking the garters off of the Budweiser girls legs while my companion, a Judge, was doing his best to hide from the cameras. I must confess that it was a hard night.
I also recall a St. Patrick's day parade with all the political floats and marchers. My drinking buddy and I joined a Senatorial candidates group and began marching down the main street with them. I was in green knickers, green knee socks, irish linen peasant shirt, green bowler while my companion was more traditionally attired. What got us in trouble was when we each had one hand in the other's rear pocket marching as if we were really a couple. Well, we lasted a block until asked to leave but we could have cared less since we were in front of another bar and had walked as far as we could without refreshments.
Ah those days where a few hours sleep, a couple of aspirin, and a few dollars in our pockets were enough.
Mel
Linda G
February 13th, 2004, 05:50 AM
I guess we're becoming an 'old married couple' as the first few years, he invited me to join them, now I am wanted to stay home and wait for the call for a taxi. :throwup:
LightWriter6208
February 13th, 2004, 05:56 AM
sounds like a lot of fun. My party days are behind me. And man!!! could we party!!!
Now, I might buy a 6 pack or bottle of wine once or twice a year.
jeffinkansas
February 13th, 2004, 10:30 PM
love the guiness, also here in town we have free state brewery, and the beer is always fresh and complex. I love it. Every now and then i will also have a lambic.
Jeff
coolrun
February 14th, 2004, 04:39 AM
I'm on a diet so it's lite beer for me these days. When I get back in business it will be Rolling Rock sixpacks.
If anybody comes to NYC don't get ripped off buying "Brookyln Brewery" beer. It is not made in Brooklyn!
Wichita Wayne
February 14th, 2004, 07:00 AM
In fact that is just about all our cork screw gets used for around my house.
Sleeping Bear
February 15th, 2004, 05:17 PM
It's not beer, but it is alcohol. I have an unopened bottle of scotch used in a photo shoot today/tomorrow (see photos color; scotch on the rocks) that can be yours if your heading through Colorado's Western Slope. I don't drink scotch.:)
noidea
February 16th, 2004, 10:34 AM
Back in germany it was usually Rothaus, Erdinger dunkle Hefe, Andechser, Eichbaum Export, and the micro breweries in Bamberg (the Main valley from Aschaffenburg to Bamberg makes some nice weekend trips - beautiful castles and very good beers and wines). If the bar keeper knew his job it also could be a Warsteiner inbetween .... and cult wise some Flensburger (without the Horex!)
In the netherlands I fell in love with Grolsch the "beughels" and "het canon (het enig bier dat naadroont" (sp?), de Konijnk and Trapist (Heineken always made me sick, but I've heard that the Heineken brewed in s'Hertogenbosch is much better than the export stuff made in Rotterdam)
US and beer? - you must be kidding;) Well, I got used to Sam Adams, Red Dog and Beck's dark ... in extreme emergency situation it may also be an Ice House or an MGD.
Due to our large filipono community here we get drowned in San Miguel, but it is nothing to write home about IMHO.
But it reminds on a nice thing that happened to me in MA during a business trip: We were in a bar and my buddy ordered some long neck stuff while I choose for a Guiness draft. Until my glass was full my buddy was already with his third Bud and the waitress brought out some deep apologies.
I just told her that I was from germany and I was used that a good draft takes 7 minutes.
I saw her jaw dropping and her eyes getting wide ..... she just managed to stumble "geez, in that time my customers would have run away"
:cheers: :beerchug:
Darrell
February 16th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Guiness is my regular beer. Goes good with cigars when I'm not drinking scotch. Is there a map to that full bottle of scotch somewhere in Colorado?
Darrell
Sleeping Bear
February 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM
If you are going to be in the Western Slope, email me offlist.
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