Tiger 10.4.1 Networking woes. HELP!!!

[-fruity-]

Internet on Tiger is painfully slow! (Even worse with my ISDN) :(

Maybe someone in here can guide me to a solution please!
Tiger is driving me nuts!!! So many problems. :mad:


SETUP

WIN2K Server + ISDN dialup with Internet sharing.
:LAN HUB

- WIN2K Workstation: works fine
- G4 Os9.2.2: works fine
- G5 DP2.7 OsX 10.4.1: File sharing with server fine, Internet Bandwidth close to nothing.

Tiger: I can access the W2K server without problems. I can transfer files without problems. BUT. Internet access goes only up to 2 Kb/sec DL and 0.5 Kb/sec UL. I DO have connection but it's very slow.

The other systems work as usual. fine.

Tiger: DHCP + Manual IP on internal Ethernet.
I've Airport extreme installed but disabled.


any suggestions???
TIA!!
:cheers:

[crabby]

Sorry fruity, I can't help ya. I tried 10.4 twice on a powerbook, installed fresh on a clean hard drive. Some of my problems were just the oposite as yours. The net was faster then ever,marginally, on a cable modem. I don't know anything about ISDN. Does it use PPP to dial up or is it online all the time? Networking wasn't quite right for me. It could see all macs and PCs but none of them could see it. I didn't spend any time trying to figure it out, I had other pressing issues. While the few software glitches I had had quick fixes, (thanks AZRich) the one that claimed their driver was included in tiger was not, (thanks HP, wrong again).
I don't think I'm ready for Tiger. If you have 10.3 to fall back on I would stay there until the world catches up to Tiger. I found little benifit with the new features in my current workflow. I don't need a super intense search engine, or doppler radar on my desktop. The Automator could be helpful but I do just fine running all my actions within photoshop. If you have PSCS2 you will see a noticeable speed increase with the 64bit processing though.
One thing that did help speed things up for me was to turn off Spotlight. That may help you too. It's probably trying to catalog the whole WWW.

[-fruity-]

thanks.

The mac came with the Tiger installed. I don't own Panther.
Yes, i think apple deserves bad flames for shipping a computer with such a bad Os build and no option (like putting Panther in the box).

Spotlight already turned off.
According to mac out-of-space ads, it should index the www within seconds anyway ;)

Ill need some extra cheers today
:cheers:
:cheers:
:cheers:

[AzRich]

hmm.. I know there were modem problems with tiger. Since I'm not familiar with ISDN, I don't have any suggestions except update to 10.4.1 and see if that helps.

For me, Tiger is working fine. I had two issues, the fuji raw converter and a program called Vidi which allows TVR functions with Formac's Studio DV. In other words, I can watch and record TV on my mac.

Have you searched the apple knowledge base?

[-fruity-]

Been surfing Knowledge Bases and boards for days now.

It's 10.4.1 allready. The Win2k Box is connected to the ISDN modem, running 24/7 flat. ISDN behaves just like any dial-up.

My problem is not the ISDN, but TIGER. :(

[Eddie the Gnat]

I haven't encountered any problems myself. Did anything change in the network settings when you upgraded. Is the ethernet running at half-duplex when it should be full (or vice-versa)?

It's probably just one of those things that'll magically disappear with very little explanation when 10.4.2 is released, but I hope you get it sorted sooner than that.

A friend of mine had terrible problems with a brand new G5 (10.3). It wouldn't sleep, it crashed regularly, and was generally a bit useless. He upgraded to Tiger and things weren't much better.
Finally he wiped it and did a completely fresh installation of Tiger and everything was just perfect. It's possible that your machine has been shipped with a corrupt driver or two somewhere...

[crabby]

Sorry I can't be of much help. I'd be happy to cry in my beer for ya.

I'll ask you in a whiney, sarcastic, trying to sound cheerful tech support voice "Did you try repairing permissions?"

[Tom V]

I have several Macs; two running 9.2.2, two running 10.3 (Panther), all without problems. One of my clients has Tiger running, and loves it.

I have read about network, internet connection, SCSI, sleep, CD-R, etc. issues - and solutions or workarounds - on www.macfixit.com. Many of the problems seem to be eliminated by installing or updating with all external devices removed, and the SCSI expansion cards removed. There seems to be a bunch of preference type files that sometimes need to be manually removed when updating. ????

I have no specific advice except checking with macfixit.

[-fruity-]

Thing is, Tiger runs stable and nice NOW. After 1.4.1.
Just Entourage crippling mail and the networking woes.

I've tried all the hints and tips.
It's a clean install with no devices but Airport extreme and BT internal.

IMHO, it's an OS problem with so many ppl complaining about (hardware) router issues.
AFAIK, Netgear provided an firmware update, solving some troubles.
There's no solution for me in sight other than wait and hope for 10.4.2.

Macfixit is nice but only really helpful if you purchase the account. ;)

Next step is to newly install my Win2K server (long time overdue anyway, ~3 years old). This is desperate but maybe it's an ICS to MacOSX issue.

:cheers:

[AzRich]

oh well...

sorry we weren't of any help. It's a shame that there's a bottleneck in there somewhere.

If I hear anything bout ISDN and 10.4 I'll pass it on.

[-fruity-]

thanks anyway :righton:
great community.

rumors are out that the 10.4.2 update will surface soon.
that was obvious due to so many problems with tiger.


if some of you plan to "upgrade" maybe you should hold it back until 10.4.2 and watch the boards.

I'll keep you updated.
:cheers:

[Bruce Lorenz]

Maybe 10.4.2 will be the answer, 10.4.1 sped up cs2 on my tiBook like night and day.
bl

[proberts]

Internet on Tiger is painfully slow! (Even worse with my ISDN) :(

Maybe someone in here can guide me to a solution please!
Tiger is driving me nuts!!! So many problems. :mad:


SETUP

WIN2K Server + ISDN dialup with Internet sharing.
:LAN HUB

- WIN2K Workstation: works fine
- G4 Os9.2.2: works fine
- G5 DP2.7 OsX 10.4.1: File sharing with server fine, Internet Bandwidth close to nothing.

Tiger: I can access the W2K server without problems. I can transfer files without problems. BUT. Internet access goes only up to 2 Kb/sec DL and 0.5 Kb/sec UL. I DO have connection but it's very slow.

The other systems work as usual. fine.

Tiger: DHCP + Manual IP on internal Ethernet.
I've Airport extreme installed but disabled.


any suggestions???
TIA!!
:cheers:

Check your routes, DNS and other network stuff. If you can, check the traffic on the segment to see if things are either going to the wrong place or if there's something going on in the background that's not expected- I'd suggest using Ethereal on the Windows box.

I haven't ever seen ICS in use (I tend to use Linux systems to do routing/firewalling/address translation)- but I'd look at the issue like this:

Will switching IP addresses and setup from the OS9 system fix the problem? If not, are the PMTU, TTL and other network settings the same between Tiger and OS9. I assume you've tried things with just the Win2k box and Tiger up?

Tiger's working fine for me, faster than Panther, and it fixed my USB mass storage driver problem from installing the USB device driver developer's kit. I've used it on networks with a Clavister firewall, Watchguard firebox, Sonicwall, whatever the Hilton uses, etc, and it works fine- so I suspect that the issue may be with ICS and/or routing if local network performance is fine.

Paul

[-fruity-]

If no clue why, but all of a sudden, it works like a charm.
Going to throw salt over my shoulder just in case.

Check your routes, DNS and other network stuff. If you can, check the traffic on the segment to see if things are either going to the wrong place or if there's something going on in the background that's not expected- I'd suggest using Ethereal on the Windows box.

I haven't ever seen ICS in use (I tend to use Linux systems to do routing/firewalling/address translation)- but I'd look at the issue like this:

Will switching IP addresses and setup from the OS9 system fix the problem? If not, are the PMTU, TTL and other network settings the same between Tiger and OS9. I assume you've tried things with just the Win2k box and Tiger up?

Tiger's working fine for me, faster than Panther, and it fixed my USB mass storage driver problem from installing the USB device driver developer's kit. I've used it on networks with a Clavister firewall, Watchguard firebox, Sonicwall, whatever the Hilton uses, etc, and it works fine- so I suspect that the issue may be with ICS and/or routing if local network performance is fine.

Paul
There was no unusual or invisible traffic. Pings were fine. For sure, ICS was the problem but it had to be on Tiger since all systems were running smooth.
Out of curiousity, i tried reassigning Os9 IP's to the Tiger box.
PMTU / TTL are unchanged since they didnt affect the performance (at least for MTU, no TTL testing here).
Pings on urls were fine too so no DNS issue.

I have no idea what caused the problem and the relief.

thanks alot for all the participation. :beerchug: have one on my (virtual) bill.

:cheers: