COLOR MODE I OR II OR III?

[fujifilmnut]

The first of three pics taken with 2 SB 800s in Remote and D70 in Command, silver and white reflectors, Flash White Balance, Nikkor 17-55 differing only in color mode. This one is mode I sRGB. No adjustments to any and prints show same colorations. What do you thnk is best? Subject note - Mode III is closest to actual, II it too cool and I is a little warmer than III.

[fujifilmnut]

Second in series of 3

[fujifilmnut]

Third of 3 Mode III

[fujifilmnut]

Walls in background are very close to light gray with a very slight blue cast. The rosy cast in I and III are not correct.

[Wilm]

Hi FFN,

from my point of view the first picture is my favorite. Maybe I feel the colors more natural after 40k shots with the S2.

Would you share your setting for a pute D70 beginner ?


:cheers:
Wilm

[fujifilmnut]

Wilm,

With only 200 shots, I am a rank beginner with the D70 as well. I am trying to get a handle on the color space settings. Let me know if the following answers your question.

White Balance set to flash

ISO 200

Color space - sRGB in first one, Adobe RGB in second and what Nikon calls enhanced sRGB in third - susposed to be used to print w/o any post processing

Two Nikon SB 800 flash units set in Remote for wireless control by the Camera that was set in command mode iTTL

Normal sharpening, normal contrast, no color enhancement

1/60 shutter speed

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[Wilm]

FFN,
it did !

I have made several shots in my livingroom this eve' ( my wife is pi...ed ) but from my point of view sRGB seems to be more similar to the results of the S2. All other setting I have figured out are some kind of flat, some kind with grey shades.

Let's try to improve the results als well maybe a "old rabbit" could give some settings-hints.


:cheers:
Wilm


(Old Rabbit = Alter Hase : A professional user of the tool you are trying to use )

[sandman]

I set mine to sRGB and ''vivid '' that emulates the greens and reds of the Fuji closest IMO . others might not like that colour , but i really don't like the default greens on the D70 .

Brian

[fujifilmnut]

Wilm,

I took similar pics with the S2 but did not want to post them side by side. The S2 was using on camera flash that triggered 2 slave SB25s and it is not a valid compare. The S2 looks a lot like Mode I to me as well if the S2 is not set to ORIG, in which case it looks a little like the mode II Adobe.

[Wilm]

Brian,
thanks for your answer.

Did you made that setting in camera or in the software ?

I am trying to find that menu, but I couldn't find it yet ....


:cheers:
Wilm

[fujifilmnut]

Wilm,

Brian did not answer so I will... Vivid is located by shifting to P (program) mode on the dial then tap Menu then select "optimize image" then select Vivid.

[Wilm]

FFN,

thanks for that hint ! I was trying to find that Menu half the day and finally when it was dark outside I have found it !

I'll give that tomorrow a try !


THX and cheers,
:cheers:
Wilm

[sandman]

Sorry , bit late answering this ,some of us have to work Saturdays :lol: .
fujinuts answered it .

Brian

[Wilm]

Brian,
don't care ! Saturday is a usual working-day for me too ! There is too much paperwork which came up the week .....

:cheers:
Wilm

[fujifilmnut]

Wilm,

It took me days to find it as well!

You know, I have been trying to emulate the S2 colors and find it very hard to do for caucausian skin. The S2 really has wonderful skin colors. The D70 seems more accurate, especially in Adobe, in prints but the S2 is very pleasing. I wonder how the S3 will handle it.

What is you take on colors?

[Wilm]

FFN,

from my point of view ( after beeing 36 hours an owner of a D70) that prosumer-camera really rocks. i-TTL is my favorit toy to do some shots I was not able to before. I also really like to use a flash without using the brain. Shot and done ! That's great too !

These were my pro's for the first 36 hours, now the negative things :

Color:
Seems, that the extereme colors from the S2 have killed my eyes but for me the D70 has a greyish? touch. The colors are not as powerfull as they came from the S2

Sharpness:
Could be better, but depends on the lighting situation over here. Give me a bright sunny day to compare the shots.

Noise:
Maybe I have a bad D70 or there is really a noise-problem. The camera is from my point of view decades behind the S2pro for long exposures. It's allmost like film ISO400. Very very grainy. BTW ( Testshots were taken in M-Mode without auto-ISO )

Handling : New menus, new software, new workflow.

First conclusion:
D70 for flash-shots
S2 for general purpose shots.

Let's say a nice toy as a back-up, some really nice functions ( highlights ) for a 800 Euro camera. And finally firmware-updated which are unknown for the S2.

Give me 36 hours more and I guess I love her :rockon:

:cheers:
Wilm

[photoworks]

Wilm, D70 needs sometime to get used to. Check the menus, play with them and I'm sure you'll love it.
Noise problem sounds strange, even at iso16oo is much more affortable than the S2's, due to the monochromatic structure
A perfect companion camera to the S2 :)

Vasilis

[fujifilmnut]

Wilm,

Be sure to check Auto ISO is off. If not, when shooting in auto mode, your ISO may have been higher than you thought.

[bjnicholls]

As to the original question about which colorspace to set, we can't make any judgements of the posted image colors since web browsers aren't profile-aware. Only sRGB images will look reasonably close to the profiled image without color managment.

Basically, sRGB is a small gamut space that's appropriate for web publishing and little else. Adobe RGB is a wide gamut space that preserves much more of the sensor's large color gamut and it will provide more flexible and more accurate color in color managed applications and when printing.

Here's a site where you can compare 3D gamut models for both the S2 and the D70. It's interesting to see how much larger the color space is for the D70: http://www.drycreekphoto.com/tools/printer_gamuts/gamutmodel.html

You can also see how sRGB compares to larger gamut color spaces and compare those to the sensor's native gamut. You need a superwide gamut like Pro Photo to fit all the sensor's native range, but to get this you'll have to shoot raw and process the image via Photoshop CS. It will ignore the camera tag for the profile and has the Pro Photo colorspace option. But Adobe RGB is a good choice for printing since it's similar to color printer gamuts.

[fujifilmnut]

BJN,

Sorry for the delay, just noticed the post. Thanks for the link and the lesson on Adobe. Love your web site.